Politics is like bad cinema — people overact, take it too far. When I speak with politicians, I see this in their facial expressions, their eyes, the way they squint. I look at things like a producer. I would often watch a scene on the monitor, and the director and I would yell, "Stop, no more, this is unwatchable! No one will believe this."
The New Yorker (4 November 2019)[newyorker.com]