We weren't really interested in those bands; we were—because we came out of this subterranean scene. And then Nirvana breaks big, and it's just diametrically opposite: we have, like, facial hair, and just, kind of, logger shirts, but we're all, like, "sensitive" and "feminine"—you know what I mean?

36:00–36:19, about mainstream rockers of the 1980s - "Nirvana's Krist Novoselic on Punk, Politics, & Why He Dumped the Dems"