No, the parallels are between modernism, late modernism, and socialist realism, of course. That's two sides of one coin. Both came of this idea of aristocrats, of people in power, imposing the culture on the people. A totally inhuman art. Modern art, and Pollock is the best example, is totally inhuman. Huge pictures for museums—now we call them museums; in Stalin times they were called palaces, but basically the same thing—which we rarely see and rarely visit. The sheer size of this painting, it's a totally inhuman scale. And there it can be typified...

The search for a people's art: painting by the numbers, 1994